Thursday, September 02, 2004
9/11 Comission
When I heard there was going to be 9/11 Commission putting together a report of the terrorist attacks, I was hoping they would provide an answer as to how the most powerful military in the world could not intercept or even detect four airliners flying off course. Nafeez Ahmed talks about standard operating procedure for planes flying off course and how violation of this kind of procedure would require high level government approval.
Hearing speakers at the RNC in New York mention 9/11 over and over makes it more believable that more people wanted this to happen than we are led to believe.
Hearing speakers at the RNC in New York mention 9/11 over and over makes it more believable that more people wanted this to happen than we are led to believe.
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Yeah, although I don't think they actively helped make 9/11 happen or anything, I think they really wanted this to happen. Perhaps that is why they so blithely ignored Richard Clarke at the beginning of this administration.
# posted by 
: 9/03/2004 11:56 AM
: 9/03/2004 11:56 AM
Thank you anonymous. Most people look at me like I'm the murderer when I imply the political value of 9/11 was identified before it happened.
Dude, I'll totally give you the point that 9/11 has immense political value for those willing to wield it like a picture of a baby playing with Ahnold's abs. But you do come off sounding like a conspracy buff when you suggest that the US government intentionally relaxed military defenses to let this happen.
- Who would have made that sort of decision? top level bush advisers?
- Who would be making the call to launch a defensive as soon as the jets went off course? Presumably someone much lower on the military hierarchy.
My point is that those two don't connect. Bush advisers surely didn't issue a "don't defend against wayward planes" edict years ago, and the kind of people who might have wanted this to happen wouldn't have been involved in the by-the-minute defense decisions.
I think we were just unprepared. We don't frequently deal with domestic terrorist attacks, so this took us by complete surprise. That's all. There are thousands of commercial flights in progress throughout most days (according to a guy in a press conference I heard on 9/11/01). I doubt we have the infrastructure to track each and every one of them.
And what about that dude who flew the plane into the white house 5 years ago? There was no real political gain to be had from that, but it worked.
-ethan
- Who would have made that sort of decision? top level bush advisers?
- Who would be making the call to launch a defensive as soon as the jets went off course? Presumably someone much lower on the military hierarchy.
My point is that those two don't connect. Bush advisers surely didn't issue a "don't defend against wayward planes" edict years ago, and the kind of people who might have wanted this to happen wouldn't have been involved in the by-the-minute defense decisions.
I think we were just unprepared. We don't frequently deal with domestic terrorist attacks, so this took us by complete surprise. That's all. There are thousands of commercial flights in progress throughout most days (according to a guy in a press conference I heard on 9/11/01). I doubt we have the infrastructure to track each and every one of them.
And what about that dude who flew the plane into the white house 5 years ago? There was no real political gain to be had from that, but it worked.
-ethan
# posted by : 9/03/2004 2:02 PM
: 9/03/2004 2:02 PM
(I was anonymous)
I don't think Amul and I are saying that the administration relaxed the defense system or anything. If you read what Clarke has to say in _Against All Enemies_, or what Franken says in _Lies and the Lying Liars_, it sounds like the Bush administration sat on a plan to increase our terrorism readiness. That's not exactly conspiracy. I think that it wasn't so much that the neocons *wanted* 9/11 to happen, but they kinda thought something of the sort might, and that it'd be easier to start the war they wanted if they just didn't do anything extra to prevent that. At the time, remember, public opinion in the administration was that terrorism wasn't that big a problem anyway. It would've been really easy to just go along with that.
-Daisie
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I don't think Amul and I are saying that the administration relaxed the defense system or anything. If you read what Clarke has to say in _Against All Enemies_, or what Franken says in _Lies and the Lying Liars_, it sounds like the Bush administration sat on a plan to increase our terrorism readiness. That's not exactly conspiracy. I think that it wasn't so much that the neocons *wanted* 9/11 to happen, but they kinda thought something of the sort might, and that it'd be easier to start the war they wanted if they just didn't do anything extra to prevent that. At the time, remember, public opinion in the administration was that terrorism wasn't that big a problem anyway. It would've been really easy to just go along with that.
-Daisie
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